=
Attendance
Committee Members
| Name | Present |
|---|---|
Elsie Wahlig Linaro | |
| Andy Wafaa ARM
| |
| Jon Masters Red Hat
| |
| Kangkang Shen Huawei
| |
| Larry Wikelius Marvell
| |
| Zi Shen Lim Marvell |  |
Guests
| Name | Present |
|---|---|
| Vicky Janicki (Linaro) | |
| Ganesh Raju (Linaro) | |
| Jorge (Linaro) | |
| Tony Niedbalski (Arm) | |
| Stephen Cole (Arm) | |
| Leif Lindholm Linaro) (remote) | |
| Gema Gomez-Solano (Linaro) (Remote) | |
| Ard Biesheuvel (Linaro) (Remote) | |
Minutes
Introductions
LW: How do we connect with the broader Linaro. Recommendation is via the TSC
KK: Arm server is in a different place. It’s here and working.
AW: How much capacity is there in DC?
LW: How does ML/AI tie into HPC and LDCG?
LW: Assignees need to be transparent, checked monthly. Describe contractual obligations vs actual assignees working.
LW: frustrated with lack of enforcement of assignees.
KK: Follow-up on designating CCIX Member Engineer
EW: GCC (Green Computer Consortium - China) is joining as Associate Member. Another Associate Member is pending. Both interested in Developer Cloud. Expect Associate Members to start up China Developer Cloud setup with Jorge’s help.
LW: Split between timezones. Is LDCG divided?
EW: consider if we want to merge the TZ call
KK: Huawei Contact for OS is Hanjun Guo. For Drivers is Kenneth Lee. For Big Data its the solution group, through Kenneth Lee.
Enterprise Reference Architecture slide
LW: Is ERP still relevant since we are now in an enabled state? Do we need it? Members enable their own platform.
KK: needs ERP to enable CCIX project.
LW: we don’t have luxury of sponsoring things that need to be in landing team.
Leif: we were juggling a lot of things in the past that needed a single focus. Now we have a single focus for work.
Reference Firmware
Was part of ERP
- LW: Wants to either kill ERP or merge requirements into other activities.
- JN: support for M400 - now deprecated - is in ERP. DC can deploy with upstream kernels
- KK: Who’s working on ERP?
- Gema: ERP was consuming ⅓ resources every year.
- Z: EDK2 is within scope? Leif: Yes
- …
- LW: Is Reference Firmware passing Server Ready today?
- Leif: Ask me in a month
Slide: Platform Server architecture
KK:Both Open source firmware and SBSA QEMU Machine are very important to KangKang
Z: Is there an endpoint for Platform Server Architecture
Leif: continues with each new SBSA level
Z: Define what SBSA level we are targeting in QEMU project.
EW: Need to define and document what is meant as a project
KK: How many resources are being consumed by ERP?
Gema: Each project has been individually counting.
EW: Need transparency here.
Slide: Server Ready Process
KK: Suggestion that Linaro provide a chargeable service for non-Members
LW: Missing a key part of the chain which hardware partners (OEM/ODM); Don’t believe OEM/ODM will pay for this service.
Concern about the quality of the firmware along the supply chain
SCole: ODM’s claim they do more testing than SBSA do
EW: Value is in the compliance
Jon: RH runs ACS on vendor platforms
Server Ready proposal (AW)
should be a project outside LDCG
Linaro exec management supportive
Where is TBD (like professional services)
In LDCG, because server is in the name
Jon: Need OEM’s involvement
Jon: Is this something we can take on?
CCIX - Ard
Z: No CCIX roadmap yet.
Main contributions have been with Arm landing team
J: On Linux needs to be done generic, upstream friendly way
LW: Proposed Ard provides 1 day a week of support
OpenBMC Enablement- Leif
Not much progress on OpenBMC due to lack of platforms
Planning to use QEMU in lieu of available hardware.
FYI: OCP Presentation
There is ThunderX Sabre board that could be available.
Projects using ThunderX can’t be shared with openbmc development
Larry: They can find a dedicated Sabre system to support openBMC
Action: determine logistics of what/where to put platform.
Larry: What are the human resource requirements. This was HXT
Elsie: Determine with Graeme.
Jon: general comment. For each community what are our touchpoints
Jon: We have to determine what it is we want.
KK: Will look to see what resources Huawei can contribute.
LW: Understand the state of the broader union to determine gaps. (Next step for SC to talk to Dong Wei @ Arm)
Jon: Need to define the task
Determine requirements before ServerAC event in mid April - right after BKK
Kernel Testing Integration - Rafael / Ard
LKFT was done in parallel with Kernel CI
Could be an interim solution to getting to a 0 day kernel test
Z: Is 0 Day a Linaro, Arm issue? It’s an Arm ecosystem issue.
Is AMD part of it? No, but they ride the coat-tails (because ISA)
Larry will donate hardware
Jon: Wants cloud management for testing so we can scale out across other facilities.
Rafael: LKFT does spin up VM’s
JN: no current openstack api implementation in LAVA
Gema: Kubernetes is not multi-tenant so difficult to replace Openstack at the moment.
Outcome:
How much will it take to integrate testing into Lava? Minimum amount of work. AI: Gema scope
What is needed for cloud management for testing so we can scale out across other facilities.
Work with ARM for 0-day end goal
Android In The Cloud - Larry W
LW: Let’s target things we can do differently
Option A:
Licensing can’t be solved without Arm business folks.
Action item: Steve Cole
Option B
Steve Cole: End-user/consumers needs this
Larry: Wants Android CI in LKFT scoped. AI: Elsie
Option C
Steve Cole: End-user/consumers needs this
Option D
Need path for AMD to generate revenue
Discussions between Arm & AMD next week @ GDC
Action item: Steve Cole
More
Jon: do B and C for selling the dream
All in agreement we want A and D.
ILP32 - Matteo
KK: Customers do not want to change. Need ILP32 already; Custom software
Jon: Need to recompile to use ILP32; Networking/Wireless use cases
Matteo: Need LTS Support
Larry: Needs ILP32 for selling servers to produce benchmarks.
He can use openSUSE for spec.org submission. Uses current branch.
Matteo: In order to get it mainlined, they need SLES commitment.
KK: Needs it for communication business.
LW: Propose Arm to provide the scoping and effort to support this branch - Andy W to find out
KK: ¼ of an engineer to support (3 months effort over a year)
Revisit at BKK19
OpenJDK
Arm has not had much help from members for OpenJDK.
They will continue working on OpenJDK at Arm
Stuart will no longer be an assignee. Will focus on AdoptOpenJDK and Arm team development.
Releases will be done through AdoptOpenJDK
Let’s celebrate the success and move on
Current distributions
Ecosystem Enablement - KangKang
Slide 1 -
1. Alot of commercial sw is based on open source
2. If there is a proprietary application, there is often an open source equivalent
3. Making sure the open source version is equivalent can be used as leverage
Slide 2:
Bullet 1 - Open Source Arm Tools - in Lead Projects. What are these?
Slide 4:
What can we/Linaro do?
- Elsie Wahlig (Deactivated) Determine logistics of what/where to put OpenBMC platform
- Kangkang Shen Look to see what resources Huawei can contribute to OpenBMC effort
- Elsie Wahlig (Deactivated) Determine requirements for OpenBMC
- Former user (Deleted) Scope work to integrate testing into LAVA
- Andrew Wafaa for Steve Cole Describe path for AMD to generate revenue with Android in the Cloud
- Andrew Wafaa for Steve Cole Need review of licensing model for Android in the Cloud
- Elsie Wahlig (Deactivated) Scope Android CI in LKFT
- Elsie Wahlig (Deactivated) Revisit ILP32 at BKK19
- @ name action item here //dd-mm-yyyy
<end>