Attendees
- Mike
- Vincent
- Bill Mills
- Don H
- Mathieu
- Stefano (Xilinx)
- Randy
- Ed (Arm)
- Peter
- Jean- Phillip
- Arnaud ()
- Azzedine (Qualcomm)
- Loic (ST)
- Alex
- Joakim
- Sirivatsa
- Diana (NXP)
- Srinivas Kalaga ()
- Bill Fletcher
- Review Action items
- None
Discussion items
Discussion Points
Vincnet Generic backend, should we have a max preallocated backend ?
SCMI backend will be connected to a number of VMs, for an SCMI channel you can make visible a different number of clocks, if it is dynamic that will be hard to do
Alex - we have been talking static VM, you will know how many backends you need, Vincent that is what I assumed but wanted to check.
Azzedine, clocks will be fixed, it is reasonable to assume static VMs. Vincent but can we set a maximum number, even if they come and go
Stefano - is this just to make it easier, and make it possible to set what is visible
BillM - we should try to make moving to a dynamic model in the future possible without a huge rewrite
VG: have vhost user working as a backend, this is all working. On SCP firmware I am setting a fixed number of channels, OSPM0, OSPM1
Stefano: Longer tem there will be a mix of static and dynamic, you might spin up VMs as you do with containers
VG: even for SCMI, common PLL, Stefano you can have Xilin part with accelerators coming and going
Alex STR-10 only considers static configuration - if we want to explore dynamic setups we should scope that up even if we won't get to it straight away.
Azzedine 1. Step in between, a set of dynamic
VG: Demo - use SCP firmware, also available in op-tee, compile with libvhostuser, to create vhost backend. This is an intermediate step because it is Linuxuser space: emulated the hw resource. Have a vhost-user mailbox in SCP, to move to a pure virtio just this module changes. For the front end reused RFC from open synergy with bug fix from Viresh
Azzedine: thinking about unicraft, VG don't expect many problems after getting multiple VM guests using zephyr or unicraft.
AZ: how long, VG: concurrent access needs to be safe but not a big deal, push to git hub next week
AZ: is there any crash recovery: VG: if guest crash? AZ: yes: VG, form pure SCMI server pov all the requests are independent, so perhaps recounting is an issue, think SCMI channel has a reset everything capability
Alex: reconfiguration will clear everything
VG: a power coprocessor does this
Srivatsa: is there a way to detect a guest VM failed: Alex: no standard way, perhaps a watchdog, enterprise uses cloud state. Srivatsa it is a standard request not just for SCMI, perhaps watchdog. Alex: we do have virtio watchdog on the list
Alex: demo
Show scmi server between two hypervisors, single binary or single source, the complication is around signalling. With binary, you would need glue code, with a src code there is a lot of difference between hypervisors, hard to have a clean abstraction.
Stefano: API called from in a guest, libraries are for Linux or freeBSD don't help with Zephyr. One set is to make calls. we have libXenZephyr but this is too big, the licence is a poor match. It is a good idea to relicense, have been talking with the community manager, most people want this done.
Azzedine: starting with a single binary approach is a good first step,
Azzedine: will this be portable to Zephyr, Stefano I would have thought a year ago we would write these from scratch, but maybe it makes sense to have a more complete library. A small library took only a few days, for a demo this is fine.
VG the main goal is to have SCMI server run standalone in zephyr, all I need is small. Stefano, this will be 5-10 hypercalls.
Alex Dom0 case is minimal bring up and down, Stefano - perhaps 20 calls, might be best to have this lib in Zephyr.
VG: Zephyr or unicraft? Stefano Unicraft should be used as domU rather than dom0, think Unicraft might be slightly easier
Azz when for demo: Alex October
Alex: we need a jailhouse
virtio-gpio - some things on the list , no spec sent to OASIS, pinged author,
virtio-i2c, have C backend and looking at Rust
virtio-rng
Diana - has not talked Peng, Alex we have been talking to Peng, if we can get Pend we can include Jailhouse
Diana - we have played with jailhouse, but this is not suited for this.
Alex : AGL are hoping to do a Jailhouse demo
Bill MI: in jailhouse, there is no concept of a scheduler, Alex, only interested due to Windrivershypervisorss less environment. YOu would have Zephyr in the VM with other small tasks
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